>
Date: 05 Mar 1999 10:15:04 -0800
Status: RO
Hey BALZ, who are you ? Show your full name if you have something to say.
And don't jam the swiss-list with junk e-mails.
The next step will be to help the au-pairs to find a job in the Bay Area...
Nicolas Cuendet
balz_at_netscape.com on 03/05/99 09:37:00 AM
To: mruefenacht_at_datacomm.ch_at_Internet
cc: perrocho_at_poset.stanford.edu_at_Internet,
swiss-list_at_swiss-list.com_at_Internet (bcc: Nicolas Cuendet/Americas/NSC)
Subject: Re: swiss-list: End of spam!
With all respect, but I disagree with Louis: Everybody should be entitled to
ask any question. There are no stupid and no unnecessary questions!
And if it comes to me, the Swiss-List is a great medium to help Michel to find
a job in the Bay Area.
Michel: Keep going and don't get discouraged!
www.BALZ.com
Michel Ruefenacht wrote:
> Louis,
>
> Don't tell anybody about me, I can help myself.
> I'll stop the spam right now!
>
> !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!!
>
> I will use this last e-mail to THANKs everybody in the list for the ~30
> friendly and useful reponses I've received.
> It seems that I misuse the list, maybe it's true, therefore I will stop,
> now!
>
> !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!!
>
> Kind regards,
> Michel
>
> Louis Perrochon wrote:
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > You know, I thought I should reply the last time, but this time I do. I
think you are putting a heavy burden on the mailing list. This is not the
help-find-michel-a-job mailing list. I would appreciate it if you could
restrict yourself a little. By now I am so p. about all the mails I got from
you about petty stuff you could find out yourself using Yahoo that it will be
better for you if I don't tell people about you...
> >
> > The goal of the list is to "keeps members informed of new developments and
hosts informal discussions as well as exchange of ideas, contacts, etc."
> > You don't do exchange, you jusk ask for one favor after another, without an
end.
> >
> > Louis
> >
> > PS: To not increase the signal-to-noise ratio, I don't cc: the whole list.
But if this does not stop, I'll start a discussion on the swiss-list.
>
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-- Balz Wyss, Ph.D. International Web Manager Netscape Communications Corp. Mountain View, CA 94043, USA Phone: +1 650 937 6640 Fax: +1 650 428 4009 Email: balz_at_netscape.com Web: http://www.balz.com ========================================================================== This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message body of "unsubscribe swiss-list" to majordomo_at_lists.stanford.edu ========================================================================== This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message body of "unsubscribe swiss-list" to majordomo_at_lists.stanford.edu >From hjost_at_mail.arc.nasa.gov Fri Mar 5 10:41 PST 1999 X-UIDL: 327bd86d3d3d7fe58ab84455489512a1 Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (root_at_postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by PraetorianGuard.lbl.gov (LBLPSB/SpamKiller) with ESMTP id KAA22060 for <lvuilleu_at_mh1.lbl.gov>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (root_at_localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA19130 for <lvuilleu_at_mh1.lbl.gov>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nick.arc.nasa.gov (nick.arc.nasa.gov [143.232.48.121]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA19115 for <L_Vuilleumier_at_lbl.gov>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.102.154.212] (argusmac.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.154.212]) by nick.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24408; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:41:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <v04020a02b305d49deebf@[128.102.154.212]> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:44:53 -0800 To: Laurent Mieville <laurent.mieville_at_vtx.ch>, Laurent Piguet <Piguet_at_fourthplanet.com>, Marc-Olivier Andre <andre_at_physics.berkeley.edu>, Laurent Vuilleumier <L_Vuilleumier_at_lbl.gov>, heegaard_at_bonechip.stanford.edu From: Hansjurg Jost <hjost_at_mail.arc.nasa.gov> Subject: Fwd: Re: swiss-list: End of spam! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by PraetorianGuard.lbl.gov id KAA22060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 4547 Status: RO Thanks Laurent for posting an opinion. It looks like we should update our initial email from majordomo to reflect some of the policies Laurent pointed out: - search Swiss-List.com and sfbay.yahoo.com first - have a concise subject (swiss stuff is a bad example) - generally, don't reply to the whole list but to the originator - post a summary of the answers to the swiss-list (and we will include it on the web) - no hate mail (see below, I felt like answering to Nicolas) Maybe we should then send it to the current subscribers too. cheers, Hansjürg >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:35:40 -0800 >To: Nicolas Cuendet <Nicolas.Cuendet_at_nsc.com> >From: Hansjurg Jost <hjost_at_mail.arc.nasa.gov> >Subject: Re: swiss-list: End of spam! >Cc: balz_at_netscape.com >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Hi Nicolas, > >What about reading email to the bottom before complaining and sending a >message to EVERYONE. Balz has a full signature at the bottom of the email >and is by the way disclosing more than you do (scroll down and you will >see). And calm down ;-). We start having heated debates like in alt.spam >about nothing. > >Hansjürg Jost (signature at the bottom, too) > >>Hey BALZ, who are you ? Show your full name if you have something to say. >>And don't jam the swiss-list with junk e-mails. >>The next step will be to help the au-pairs to find a job in the Bay Area... >> >>Nicolas Cuendet >> >> >> >> >> >>balz_at_netscape.com on 03/05/99 09:37:00 AM >>To: mruefenacht_at_datacomm.ch_at_Internet >>cc: perrocho_at_poset.stanford.edu_at_Internet, >>swiss-list_at_swiss-list.com_at_Internet (bcc: Nicolas Cuendet/Americas/NSC) >>Subject: Re: swiss-list: End of spam! >> >>With all respect, but I disagree with Louis: Everybody should be entitled to >>ask any question. There are no stupid and no unnecessary questions! >> >>And if it comes to me, the Swiss-List is a great medium to help Michel to >>find >>a job in the Bay Area. >> >>Michel: Keep going and don't get discouraged! >> >>www.BALZ.com >> >> >> >>Michel Ruefenacht wrote: >> >>> Louis, >>> >>> Don't tell anybody about me, I can help myself. >>> I'll stop the spam right now! >>> >>> !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!! >>> >>> I will use this last e-mail to THANKs everybody in the list for the ~30 >>> friendly and useful reponses I've received. >>> It seems that I misuse the list, maybe it's true, therefore I will stop, >>> now! >>> >>> !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!! !!! THANK YOU !!! >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Michel >>> >>> Louis Perrochon wrote: >>> > >>> > Michel >>> > >>> > You know, I thought I should reply the last time, but this time I do. I >>think you are putting a heavy burden on the mailing list. This is not the >>help-find-michel-a-job mailing list. I would appreciate it if you could >>restrict yourself a little. By now I am so p. about all the mails I got from >>you about petty stuff you could find out yourself using Yahoo that it >>will be >>better for you if I don't tell people about you... >>> > >>> > The goal of the list is to "keeps members informed of new >>>developments and >>hosts informal discussions as well as exchange of ideas, contacts, etc." >>> > You don't do exchange, you jusk ask for one favor after another, >>>without an >>end. >>> > >>> > Louis >>> > >>> > PS: To not increase the signal-to-noise ratio, I don't cc: the whole >>>list. >>But if this does not stop, I'll start a discussion on the swiss-list. >>> >>> ========================================================================== >>> This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list >>> server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the >>> message body of "unsubscribe swiss-list" to majordomo_at_lists.stanford.edu >> >>-- >> >>Balz Wyss, Ph.D. >>International Web Manager >>Netscape Communications Corp. >>Mountain View, CA 94043, USA >> >>Phone: +1 650 937 6640 >>Fax: +1 650 428 4009 >>Email: balz_at_netscape.com >>Web: http://www.balz.com >> >> >>========================================================================== >>This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list >>server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the >>message body of "unsubscribe swiss-list" to majordomo_at_lists.stanford.edu >> >> >>========================================================================== >>This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list >>server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the >>message body of "unsubscribe swiss-list" to majordomo_at_lists.stanford.edu > > > >From hudw_at_yahoo.com Fri Mar 5 11:12 PST 1999 X-UIDL: cd1fd34d07c6f7cfa7c912d60948703b Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (root_at_postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by PraetorianGuard.lbl.gov (LBLPSB/SpamKiller) with ESMTP id LAA23079 for <lvuilleu_at_mh1.lbl.gov>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (root_at_localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA29993 for <lvuilleu_at_mh1.lbl.gov>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29982 for <L_Vuilleumier_at_lbl.gov>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990305191214.13090.rocketmail_at_send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [36.173.0.125] by send102.yahoomail.com; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:12:14 PST Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Wiesendanger <hudw_at_yahoo.com> Subject: Re: swiss-list: To restrict or not to restrict. To: Laurent Vuilleumier <L_Vuilleumier_at_lbl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 3355 Status: RO I only subscribed to Swiss List recently. I already was thinking to unsubscribe because of all the SPAM. On the other hand, all those inquiries and tips and comments reminded me of my first years as a young post-doc in Calif. I then had nothing like that, no Swiss people I knew, and it was not always easy. It also was over 40 years ago...... More important: There seems to be a real need/desire to have such a medium for asking for info and providing it to fellow Swiss. Why not have a SEPARATE forum on the Swiss List where people can post messages, but they don't go to every subscriber, or maybe have no subscribers at all, just click on "Forum" if you want to get into it? One analogy would be the Yahoo financial portfolio manager where you can click on the stock symbol and then on "message forum" Regards, Hans Wiesendanger ---Laurent Vuilleumier <L_Vuilleumier_at_lbl.gov> wrote: > > Dear everybody, > > The purpose of the swiss-list is to "keep members informed of new > developments and hosts informal discussions as well as exchange of > ideas, contacts, etc." (http:swiss-list.com/swl_wha.html). There is > room for a *reasonable* amount of requests. However, BEFORE > TO ASK the whole swiss-list, one should CHECK IN OUR WEB > PAGES if the answer is already there. We do have a list of member > that lists swiss-listers who agree to have their name listed as well as > the company where they work. Some of the companies listed on > Michel's mail are there. We also do have a page called swiss food > where one can check where to buy cheese or fondue items. We also > have a "tip" page, and I think that before to ask any question, one > should check there. I will try to add there a paragraph about short- > term trip to the Bay where I will list links to car rentals, > hotel/motel, > and B&B. (I am currently updating the page and already fulfilled > most of the 30+ request for update I received since the last update.) > But I want to point out there are subjects that are out of our scope. > For instance, we are not a travel agency. There are many ressources > on the web that can help you to prepare a trip to SF (start with yahoo). > > Obviously, it will take some of your time to browse our pages. On > the other hand, if you find your answer in our web pages, and avoid > an extra mail to the swiss-list, you are saving 130 other persons' time. > > We would like to avoid moderating the list (in this case it is OUR > time that would be wasted), but it depend on how hard people try > to find information by themselves before to ask for the tricky ones. > Remember, once you find information, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO > SHARE IT. Send it to the swiss-list or directly to me. > > Laurent > -- > Laurent Vuilleumier e-mail: L_Vuilleumier_at_lbl.gov > Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory phone : (510) 486-6108 > 1 Cyclotron Road, 29C fax : (510) 486-7303 > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > > ========================================================================== > This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list > server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the > message body of "unsubscribe swiss-list" to majordomo_at_lists.stanford.edu > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.comReceived on Fri Mar 05 1999 - 10:20:00 PST
